I know, it was a victory, but Id rather figure out how to prevent it in the first place. I cant even say its because I havent inhaled yet because Ive gotten stuck with a full breath. It comes and goes my stammer I could be good for a couple of days with only a "whu,whu" every now and then but then without warning boom the big bastards hit. I will try to turn it around and look at it as success the next time. Blaat and SUP thank you for your encouragement.