OK. For the sake of this discussion, and also because it's not an insane supposition, let's say you are right, that improving you life in the ways that you describe will eliminate a stutter. (Later you say "improve your speech as an indirect result," which I find much more statistically reasonable than elimination, when speaking about the general population, not Michael Jordans like yourself, and I don't mean that sarcastically.) What about the people who are unable to improve their lives to that degree? You're going to argue with the word "unable," so maybe you'd prefer "won't" or "don't want to." Whatever -- they are not reaching the levels you are describing for whatever reason. I do not agree that those people are automatically victim mentality people. I've been in contact with dozens of people who stutter who are the opposite of victims, who go after what they want, who don't consider themselves living a compromised life because they still stutter. You must have met them too?? I do not believe there is only one way to lead a fulfilling life. If someone chooses not to put the work into these practices because they just don't want to, and are ok with their lives, even thriving -- even though they still stutter -- I think it's a kind of hubris to deny that, to impose your way as the only way, to say that they are not embracing positive growth when they are saying they are happy with how they are, or even if they are saying, "yeah, I'd love it if I didn't stutter at all, but I'm not willing to put the work into doing that, and that is fine with me; I'd rather do these other things that make me happy." There are many (numerically, not percentage-wise) who have said that. For other people reading this, however, I feel obligated to add that I think the idea of a "cured" stutter is on very shaky ground. I'm not talking about a childhood stutter that completely disappears by one's midteens for reasons not understood, but where there appears to be a neurobiological change that truly eliminates the physical cause of stuttering. Obviously, I'm talking about adults who still stutter. I do think there are some people who, for whatever combination of reasons, are able to eliminate their stutter, and not through hiding it, or conventional techniques, but rather through changing their lives radically, or, in rare cases, spontaneous remission (what happens to many children, but only very rarely to adults). However, I think almost all of those people are susceptible to having their stutter come back under circumstances of extreme stress. That is not a cure. It's a way of greatly reducing the possibility of stuttering, even all the way to the point of complete fluency most of the time. But it's still not a cure. I'd like to say more, but don't have the time right now. Maybe later....