Didn't seem aggressive to me. :) >anybody who stutters that sits back and does nothing to help themselves will make zero progress >doing nothing to get out of this rut I don't know that we should apply this generically. I'm not sure that many of us do this - I mean, we struggle to communicate, and we're in this sort of community to get a better handle on things. That's hardly to be construed as doing nothing, and I think this image of "the lazy stutterer" does us a disservice. It might simply be that the individual doesn't have enough resources avaialble to them. >I feel fluency should be the goal. Some, or a lot of, PWS **have negative feelings towards their speech because of their lack of fluency**. Managing/controlling your stutter is definitely a goal to achieve. That's part of the climb when it comes to achieving fluency In this approach, I worry that the nonpresence of fluency ruins the process for some. Like, if it can't get perfect, and fast, it's not working at all. Methods or techniques might be abandoned because they don't yield the desired results. But sometimes, _management_ is indeed the desired result, in lieu of _fluency_. That's my worry, succinctly: That some will feel negatively toward themselves _because they're employing the wrong criteria for their stuttering_. --- This exchange of food for thought goes both ways, and my only goal is to include a wider picture. There's strength in a more narrow focus, I get that, but I feel like it's more honest to be more inclusive.